Alexandre
With the Milano due to be unveiled in 1 month's time, discussions are turning to the future Giulia and Stelvio models. Following a recent communication fromAlfa Romeo to the Italian press about the STLA Large architecture that will equip the new Giulias and Stelvio, due in 2025 and 2026 respectively, some media outlets have been reporting speculation about a possible hybrid version. A surprising turn of events.
By adopting the STLA Large platform from Stellantis, the future Alfa Romeo Giulia and Stelvio will benefit from 800V architecture and 100 % electric powertrains. As we all know, the STLA Large platform is also compatible with internal combustion and hybrid engines. Although we don't know exactly what these hybrid engines will be, it's not impossible that they'll be the GME 3.0L 6-cylinder already present at Jeep and soon at Dodge, with PHEV technology as on the GME 4-cylinder.
However, contrary to what has been said in some media, including Reuters, and on social networks, there are no plans to date to see these engines under the hoods of future Alfa Romeo models. After contacting the Alfa Romeo press office, the confusion suggesting a possible hybridization of the Stelvio and Giulia models was quickly cleared up. Alfa Romeo has firmly corrected this informationconfirming the commitment of 100 % electric engines for future Giulia and Stelvio models. There will be no hybrids in Europe or any other market.
I'll pass. Good luck to future buyers.
The 8C, 4C, Giulia and Stelvio will remain the brand's last testament.
RIP Alfa Romeo
The mass is said...
This brand followed me from the age of 7 or 8 to my 57th birthday. It's the brand that has been with me all my passionate life.
I'll keep my Brera V6, as long as the "availability" of parts allows, and then the curtain...
I'll turn to a brand that lets me hear a combustion engine purr!
For future generations, we'll be able to say that we've lived through the great age of the automobile.
Bonjour, c'est exactement ça moi aussi je vais essayer de conserver ma guilia jusqu'au bout et après on avisera bonne continuation à tous
Manuel
Just like everyone else here 👍
We want engines and nothing else !!! How to make them understand that???
Hello, it's the government's fault and unfortunately the Stellantis group's.
The German groups continue to offer petrols, and heavy ones at that! In the end, I'm sorry that Vag didn't manage to buy Alfa!
No, it's not governments that are banning hybridization. Mercedes AMG has just announced a 3.0 hybrid sports car.
Apply in Brussels, not at the manufacturer 😉
We're witnessing the end of Alfa Romeo, because of Stellantis' dogmatism. How sad.
If I wanted to drive electric, I'd settle for a Fiat 500e, or the future Lancia Ypsilon HF, because I don't see any point in buying a noiseless, characterless electric Alfa Romeo.
Like many, I'll be sticking with thermals, but I now know that I can look to the past when it comes to cars, and no longer to the future. I'm really moving on, no more Alfa, but in a way I don't think Stellantis could have done better than the Giulia and the Stelvio.
Bonjour à tous , je lis vos messages et combien je suis d'accord avec vous , je possède une 145QV🍀 , une delta 2 HF HPE et une Giulietta jtd , tout ça pour dire que je suis italien dans l'âme automobile depuis 30 ans , quand Fiat et Peugeot ont créé stellantis j'ai eu un espoir pour que Lancia ressorte une Delta HF aux performances dignes de la légendaire 831 ! Instead, they shot themselves in the foot before even trying to return to the forefront! What are they offering? 3-cylinder puretech crap on the tonale and the future epsilon! Excuse me for being rude, but this is pissing on the grave of Vincenzo Lancia and Enzo Ferrari! Before there were enthusiasts at the helm, now they're financiers who wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between a lampredi and a busso !!!! Like some, I will keep them until the end of the availability of parts and then I bow out !!!!
I've been waiting a month for a motor to control the air-conditioning damper on my Giulietta (a well-known problem) and I still haven't heard anything from the dealer. The word "premium" is only in the price list of these new models!
The quality of after-sales service has become deplorable, and this is widely shared on networks and clubs!
The next one will certainly be a Japanese Toyota, Lexus or Honda and certainly not a Nissan which is a rebadged Renault stuffed with problems! My parents-in-law have had the experience!
To be distributed widely and without moderation ....
A disgusted enthusiast....
Hello,
there's no PureToc on the Tonale.
However, I agree with the rest of your comment.
On the Tonale it's a four-cylinder 100% Fiat. Designed before the merger, this engine is very flexible and reliable, but lacks character, that's all. This is also the criticism levelled at the Giulia's 2.0 L four-cylinder... The Tonale is not without quality, for an SUV. You should read Alexandre's feedback on the site; what held him back was above all the lack of choice in cabin colors and materials.
Except that they don't do much to bring the Giulia's 4-cylinder GME to life, and many tuners do.
I agree with you. And on thermal models, I'm worried about the availability of parts.
Instead of pissing off the world with bullshit rules, the EU should force brands to insure spare parts for at least 20 years, otherwise it's programmed obsolescence (and it'll be even worse with electrics, where everything is thrown away at the slightest battery problem).
Dumoutier
We're all disgusted, dear colleague.
I totally agree with you, I've been driving an Alfa since 1981,
Given my age, I think I'll end up with a thermal Alfa, a real one. But it's a pity for the younger ones. And as you said, when financiers get their noses into the technical side of things, it's always a disaster, except for the shareholders.
The tonal's engine is a 4-cylinder
Honda my son waited 10 months for parts to repair his vehicle after an accident.
Car immobilized.
Stellantis' decision is all the more incomprehensible given that the end date for the sale of new combustion-powered cars is 2035. 11 years! That's more than enough time for one generation of cars, in hybrid form to avoid deductions.
How can we believe that everyone will want to switch to electric cars in 2025, without sufficient infrastructure?
This haste on the part of manufacturers is absurd. And long, arduous electric journeys, with multiple 30-minute breaks, small roads to be avoided from now on, just like mountain roads, will be painful. All that's left is to take the train or the plane, and rent for short trips.
Or we'll have to stockpile combustion-powered cars to save 10 years.
Exactly 👍
The end of a myth, still famous engines, sometimes bof bodywork, but a dynamism that's part of the brand's genes... Electric... My God 🙏😡.
I've just refurbished all the mechanical parts of my 159 Q4 JTDM, and I'm not sorry to hear about it. This sometimes brutal purr will stay with me for life, and I'll soon be adding a Giulia to it, a magnificent car with a capital M...
Once Alfiste, always Alfiste will no longer be relevant. A great void awaits us.
That says it all! 👍
For me, after my Stelvio 2.2 JTDM 190 hp Q4 if no more internal combustion engines.....adieu Alfa Roméo.
Passionate we are passionate we will remain alfa it's like a virus many are treated but few are cured
Once the heat is gone, it's not hard to heal.
Hello,
Has anyone on this forum read Don Quixote?
I don't think so, too bad.
Hello, why are these executives massacring Alfa? What happened to the soul of these engines with their specific noise and unique sensations?
behind the wheel
For profit only.
There are some very serious marketing errors in this choice....
Electricity will not be the only motorization of the future.
There's a real niche to be filled with combustion engines offering mid-range performance and a pleasant sound, just what Alfa knows how to make.
The world market is not following the European trend towards all-electricity, so why deprive ourselves of 70% of world business?
Alfa's deplorable marketing and strategy has been their trademark since the 70s, and explains why they've gone from market leader in sports sedans (a market they invented) to a small (and very small) thumb!
Personally, I'm at 110,000 km with my second Giulia and still very satisfied (only 1 breakdown to report in over 350,000 km of Giulietta and Giulia over the last 10 years.... And that was just an injector on my Giulietta QV at 95,000km).
Forza
1/ The hybrid would be totally possible, but Stellantis (ex-PSA side) is probably the only group not to want to invest in it.
2/ Alfa Romeo becomes an SUV brand. Imparato even wants to transform the world's most beautiful "accessible" sedan into a crossover.
3/ Even if you're ready to go electric, would you want to start out with a 2-ton crossover/SUV or a hastily redesigned 308?
The most telling example is the Peugeot Milano, which is nothing like an Alfa Romeo: PSA platform, PSA engines, made outside Italy, and even the design, which is supposed to stand out according to Tavares' way of doing things (see the Mokka and Avenger), seems to be a Peugeot-Citroën-Seat mix with added gimmicks.
I have three stelvio 2 quadrifoglio and 1 diesel, the day they will be at the end, FINISH FOR ME ALFA ROMÉO WITHOUT THERMAL ENGINE !!!! WE DON'T WANT THEIR M !!!! ELECTRIC ➕
I'm no different. Once I'd stopped the Giulia Quadrifiglio, I never came back to Alfa and went back to the Japanese.
When I bought my last car, I hesitated between a purchase of reason or an Alfa. I finally chose the Alfa, thinking that it would probably be my last chance to do so. Unfortunately, the future proved me right.
Alas, my dear Twin Spark... this is indeed the case.
Stellantis will put Alfa and Maserati out of business.
An electric Alfa, I can't believe it.
I'm going to see about buying a Gulia before it's too late and then finish off the Alfa Romeo. Thank you, curtain.
Stellantis is a disaster for Italian brands. They don't understand anything about sports cars or the specificity of Italian cars, to the point of wanting to make Peugeot models available to all brands.
DAV
You're quite right.
Alfa Romeo: 1910-2024 🪦
That's exactly it, or at least later, as we'll have to wait until the Giulia and Stelvio are discontinued.
Unless the 2035 law is finally amended/rejected, the switch to electric is inevitable. Even if you want to start with Alfa Romeo, the other brands will also make the switch to electric 100%, just a few years later.
What scares me are the choices (especially marketing choices) made by decision-makers. Alfa Romeo has succeeded in differentiating itself in terms of combustion engines, but in terms of electric cars, it seems to be off to a bad start (already, electric cars are de facto going to be similar in terms of motorization). Everything we've seen (Peugeot Milano, Dodge Charger, Peugeot e-3008) doesn't bode well...
We're the only idiots in Europe to commit suicide. In the rest of the world, they'll keep the heat on.
How will Stellantis and company sell in 90% of the world?
The question is what about the future of the Italian brands and what's around them (OEMs), i.e. where the Agnelli fortune comes from and how Chrysler was bought out between 2008 and 2014.
Except that in Germany 🇩🇪 they're going backwards and announcing that they're keeping their thermal hybrids alongside the electrics that nobody wants, apparently.
Quite frankly, Stellantis' strategy and recovery plan are out of control. They're totally massacring Alfa Romeo by insisting on switching to the 100 % electric and by not wanting to continue making Alfa Romeo internal combustion engines. As far as the new Milano is concerned, according to the news, the choice of platform and electric and hybrid powertrains is a complete mess. Peugeot's 1.2 Puretech. What kind of tasteless joke is this? They're no longer capable of making the kind of Italian engines that made the Alfa Romeo brand so famous. The Milano has become a Peugeot. It's the stuff of nonsense. The future Stelvio and Giulia models are based on Dodge platforms and electric engines. It's a pure massacre. They should let Alfa Romeo and Maserati work together on platforms and engines. Clearly, they've lost me as a customer. We absolutely want Italian models, and not just any old thing. Right now, it's a mix of French and American platforms and engines for the next generations. There's a serious lack of know-how. No more Italian premium quality.
To hell with hybrids and electrics, people don't want these dangerous ambiguities.
Question I ask every chance I get:
What is the impact on human health of sitting all day on these electric batteries?
Diesel causes 50,000 deaths a year in Europe, and nobody cares... But imaginary impacts are immediately more interesting.
Imaginary?
There's no evidence that this is imaginary. Where does the energy for your electric soapboxes come from? How do the waves work?
The 50,000 deaths are theoretical and there are no real figures to back them up.
I don't see what's theoretical about death. Just because it happens out of sight doesn't mean we should pretend it doesn't exist. If you want more real figures, we're talking about 450,000 deaths a year in Europe due to pollution, 50,000 attributed to diesel, as we've already pointed out, and 5,000 just from VW's dieselgate. Per year. As for the effect of proximity to electric current, there is none at all, apart from the hair-raising at the science fair.
General pollution already doesn't allow itself to include aviation, certain factories 🏭, shipping and only targets the road system so yes it remains theoretical as there are no in-depth studies on each sector that would allow for real detail.
450,000 dead and we're totally overpopulated, which is a fact.
To say that there are no effects on waves, electric currents and other nuclear or coal systems to draw energy from is a rather laughable understatement, because everything proves the contrary.
Exciting hybrid engines do exist, for example the V6 of the Ferrari 296 GTB, or the Ferrari SF90. You don't have to be against everything, and plug-in hybrid engines are one solution.
It's even the solution, as Toyota has demonstrated and as the Germans and the USA are beginning to understand.
You don't want to break Italy's fine mechanical engineering
When can we expect the new Citroen/Masarati?
And to hell with electric cars!
There is a consensus on the evolution that will lead to the end of the ALFA ROMEO we all loved. The only way to try and provoke a reaction would be to organize a consultation (but by whom?) with unfortunately little chance of being heard.
If we're going to be heard... when sales figures are close to absolute zero!
I don't think that Alfa Romeo will stop selling anything, I even think that the brand can sell +, but, like BMW, by turning its back on the purists and looking for a new clientele.
I don't think they're going to sell any more, and on the contrary, they're really going to hit rock bottom. We've seen this with the reworked Tonale, which was supposed to be a hit, but isn't. I bet the Milano will be even worse. I bet the Milano will be even worse, and we can see that Lotus thought it was going to sell a lot when it changed its philosophy, but it hasn't at all.
The Stellantis group's decision to go all-electric from 2025 onwards, without even asking the opinion of their customers, is sheer nonsense on their part. Suddenly, they've decided to stop making internal combustion engines, without asking us, and to go all electric using Peugeot and Dodge engine blocks. The decision is mind-boggling. It's sheer nonsense. We don't want their bloody electric motors and Puretechs from Peugeot. We want Alfa Romeo combustion engines. If they don't change their decisions soon, they'll lose more and more customers. That's a big risk for them. Clearly, I won't buy an Alfa Romeo if they don't make Italian combustion engines worthy of the brand. They've clearly been warned at Stellantis. Other customers will follow suit.
Dodge doesn't produce anything, it's an empty shell... Dodge's famous in-line six is the Giulia's GME 2.0 L with two cylinders and a few extra features! Dodge is a rebadged Tonale, a pony car based on the Giorgio platform and, in Mexico, a Fiat Tipo called Neon...
That says it all 👍
Like many people, I'll always have fond memories of my 75 Twin-spark, 33,sprint,Gtv 916 V6, I've been a fan and lover of this brand for 30 years, and they've given me a lot of pleasure to drive and maintain. But after my Giulia, it's all over for me too. I'd have preferred the Visconti to die, given Alfa's future!
I couldn't agree more.
Managers are financiers: if electric cars sell, they'll make electric cars. If it doesn't sell, they'll offer combustion engines. I'm seeing a lot of delaying tactics on the 100% electric from Daimler and BMW in particular, and I'm sure that Alfa's managers are taking note. Suffice it to say that this firm communication on powertrains is by no means definitive...
Good evening
I am an alfist, and I will remain an alfist, I have my 159 2.4 Q4 210hp as new from 2009
I recently bought a beautiful Guilia 2021, 190 hp special edition, super equipped, with 28000 kms
Times can change,I'm optimistic,but the next one in 3 years will still be a guilia 😂😂😂😂j wait and see,there will be changes,alfa is not dead ,and for the disappointed stellantis ,there are the old ones,the real cars ,alfas of course 👍👍👍
Alexandre:
I think the comments are unanimous, if Alfa doesn't keep the V6 690T, Lancia the V6 F160 and Maserati the Nettuno... you can warn the Stellantis press house that we'll all be taking our business elsewhere!!!!!!!
Of course, mercedes and bm are stalling. Their business model is based entirely on the overexploitation of resources, and it's in their interest to continue along the same path. Let's not forget that in the air-conditioning affair between mercedes and Europe, mercedes showed that they were above the law.
Above all, he sees that Toyota, by making hybrids a priority, has been in the lead for years, and that's not about to change, and since their electric car is a failure in Germany, they're going backwards.
That's it, Alfa Romeo will be no more. We'll have to buy a badge, it's a shame. I've been driving an Afla for 40 years.
I've had nothing but satisfaction with my Alfa, even if it was sometimes complicated.
Aesthetics are not the only factor in choosing a brand. The identity and soul of the brand disappear.
Stellantis is the gravedigger of this and other brands. Let's hope the brand logo stays, but I'll have to do without it from now on.
I've owned 6 Alfa Romeos (and still 3 today), 2 Abarths, 1 Lancia, it's a real shame to let these brands go.
But buying a Peugeot base car that's just a little modified, and moreover electric, or with a PureTech engine, is just impossible.
As with almost all customers.
And when sales plummet, Stellantis will be sticking hybridized Puretec all over the place? There are more days of technical unemployment to come, unfortunately.
No ambitions for synthetic gasoline or hydrogen, and no rationalization of combustion engines other than Puretec.
Tavares has an umbrella allowance in his super remuneration package for the day when, after him, the deluge.
To think that Tavares had announced that he was keeping the V6 engines and switching them to synthetic fuel, just like Pipo.
In view of the Stellantis Group's deplorable strategy for the future of Alfa Romeo, I have decided to step down from my role as ambassador. The Italian DNA and spirit has totally disappeared under the control of the Stellantis group. Gone are the magnificent Italian combustion engines that made the Milanese brand famous. Their all-electric strategy and sharing of platforms and engines within the group. Alfa Romeo is in danger of totally losing its Italian identity and becoming half Peugeot or half Dodge. They are unable to manufacture their own Italian platforms and powertrains. Now, they simply transplant organs from other brands to make their own electric cars. Alfistas are likely to turn their backs on the brand if Stellantis doesn't drastically change his strategy and focus on electrics and organ sharing. Alfa Romeo and Maserati must work together to build their future models, not by serving Peugeot and Dodge. The Milanese snake 🐍 risks being devoured by the French lion 🦁 and the American eagle. Stellantis is warned. At their peril.
We don't yet know whether the American side will embrace the product as it did under FCA.
You're all dreaming, Alfa Romeo died a long time ago. Of course, the Alfa Romeo logo still exists, but when I say that Alfa died a long time ago, I'm talking about the Alfa spirit (propulsion, engines and technical base), which has long since disappeared, The Giulia and Stelvio were nothing but a flash in the pan, and with Stellantis and Tavares, the worst is yet to come. Alfa will be nothing more than a derivative of Peugeot, in terms of both base and engines.
If not, I can only imagine what would have happened to Ferrari in Stellantis' hands, given the fate reserved for Maserati!
Remind me with what certainty they assert the impossible return to thermal for the 500. I'll bet you the same scenario here....
I think my Stelvio Estrema 280 will continue to give me the heebie-jeebies every time I drive it for a long time to come. Unless they come to their senses and continue to offer AR combustion engines alongside electric variants. Otherwise, I'll have to go back to BMW.
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